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Q1: Why does this article have The in the title? Most articles don't.
A1: The name The Holocaust is common usage. Article titles follow subjects, not other articles. See also previous discussions on the question, linked in the move banner below.
Q2: The Holocaust was not only about Jews; the total death toll was more like 11+ million...
A2: As it says in the lead sentence which defines the scope of the article, the Holocaust "was the genocide of European Jews during World War II". As explained elsewhere in the lead and body, "separate Nazi persecutions killed a similar or larger number of non-Jewish civilians and POWs". As also explained in the lead and the body, "the term Holocaust is sometimes used to refer to the persecution of these other groups"; such uses of the term Holocaust constitute "significant minority views" as explained in Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy. In accordance with WP:NPOV policy, Wikipedia states the mainstream view in its own voice, while also explaining significant minority views.
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The Holocaust was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. Between 1941 and 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population." This page is about that, for other genocides look further Separate Nazi persecutions killed a similar or larger number of non-Jewish civilians and prisoners of war (POWs); If you only had an ability to read with comprehension. YBSOne (talk) 13:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry this is Zionist Propaganda.. the Holocaust was about White Christian Supremacy and Nationalism.. they murdered as many non jews and Jews.. Sorry by this page is a lie in denial and disingenuous. PERIOD.
You insults prove my point.. its typical MAGA right wing crappp when you dont have an answer because I state the truth you resort to attacks Rossen (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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In Rise of Nazi Germany - Persecution of Jews, 3rd paragraph. Grammar error
"Out of the 560000 jews 130000 was able to emigrate between 1933 and 1937, most of them towards South Africa, Mandatory Palestine, and South America."
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he Holocaust primarily targeted Jews, with approximately 6 million Jewish people murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators. However, millions of non-Jews were also killed during this period as part of the Nazi regime's broader campaign of persecution and extermination. Estimates for non-Jewish victims include:
Romani (Gypsies): Between 200,000 and 500,000.
Disabled individuals: Approximately 250,000, targeted through the T4 euthanasia program.
Polish civilians: Around 1.8 to 2 million non-Jewish Poles.
Soviet civilians and prisoners of war: Between 3.3 and 5 million Soviet POWs and countless civilians.
Political dissidents, resistance members, and others: Tens of thousands, including Communists, Socialists, and trade unionists.
Jehovah’s Witnesses: About 1,900 to 2,000 were executed for refusing to pledge allegiance to the Nazi regime.
Homosexuals: Thousands were arrested, with an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 dying in concentration camps.
In total, estimates for non-Jewish deaths during the Holocaust vary but are generally between 5 to 11 million. Combined with Jewish victims, the Holocaust claimed the lives of roughly 11 to 17 million people. Rossen (talk) 21:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Note that the very first paragraph of the introduction already reads "Separate Nazi persecutions killed a similar or larger number of non-Jewish civilians and prisoners of war (POWs); the term Holocaust is sometimes used to refer to the persecution of these other groups." Cannolis (talk) 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If no source explicitly states that such uses of the term "Holocaust" constitute "significant minority views" (regarding its extension to encompass non-Jews) and that the mainstream view is limited to Jewish victims , wouldn't that make it original research? Who concluded that it is a minority view to include other ethnic groups, and how was this conclusion reached? ☆SuperNinja2☆TALK!13:37, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We do already discuss this in the article; see The term Holocaust is sometimes used to refer to the persecution of other groups that the Nazis targeted, especially those targeted on a biological basis, in particular the Roma and Sinti, as well as Soviet prisoners of war and Polish and Soviet civilians. All of these groups, however, were targeted for different reasons. By the 1970s, the adjective Jewish was dropped as redundant and Holocaust, now capitalized, became the default term for the destruction of European Jews and the relevant sources - I would look in Calimani, the source for the final sentence, in particular, if you want discussion of how the term's meaning evolved. That said, I was under the impression that the current framing and definition was the result of an RFC where editors went over the sources and weighed them against each other, but looking back I cannot find it. Either way, changing it at this point would require an in-depth review of the best available secondary sources (ie. ones covering the history and use of the term) to determine the balance of what they say, almost certainly followed by such an RFC if that review found enough to justify changing things. --Aquillion (talk) 15:35, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. By looking at this talk page, I can see the controversiality of this issue and I wonder how it became a good article. There's a clear objection within the readers to bounding the term to jews and excluding other victims unilaterally by few editors. I read the FAQs and couldn't help but wonder, who decided which view to be "the main stream view"? And why do we present this piece of information as ultimate unanimous facts when in reality it's quite controversial between the experts within the profession field. We need an RFC. ☆SuperNinja2☆TALK!16:31, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We do already discuss this in the article; see (...)
I mean, obviously because editors believe that to be the mainstream view, based on their reading of the sources. Personally I wouldn't be opposed to an RFC but just leaping straight into one isn't a good idea. Like I said, what you need to do is spend some time digging up and parsing sources. One thing you will have to grapple with is that there are a lot of sources that say "the holocaust is the Nazi murder of the Jews" and nothing else - I haven't, like, compiled a list but even the most cursory searches suggests it's almost certainly the numerical majority. I think that this could potentially be overcome if you can find enough high-quality secondary sources discussing the use of the term itself that make it clear that the broader use is the main one or that both are on equal footing; secondary sources actually discussing academic usage are, I believe, more significant than editors researching it themselves. But there are also going to be sources that discuss usage and treat the more narrow definition as predominant, so it'll be a matter of forming lists of them (huge ones, inevitably, because this is one of the most heavily-studied topics concerning the history of the 20th century) and figuring out which one has more weight from that. --Aquillion (talk) 22:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Note that the very first paragraph of the introduction already reads "Separate Nazi persecutions killed a similar or larger number of non-Jewish civilians and prisoners of war (POWs); the term Holocaust is sometimes used to refer to the persecution of these other groups." Cannolis (talk) 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)